Precision Drilling Corporation (NYSE:PDS) Q2 2023 Earnings Conference Call July 27, 2023 2:00 PM ET
Company Participants
Lavonne Zdunich – Director, IR
Carey Ford – SVP and CFO
Kevin Neveu – President and CEO
Conference Call Participants
Luke Lemoine – Piper Stanley
Aaron MacNeil – TD Cowen
Waqar Syed – ATB Capital
Keith Mackey – RBC Capital Markets
Cole Pereira – Stifel
Kurt Hallead – Benchmark
Operator
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Precision Drilling Corporation 2023 Second Quarter Results Conference Call.
I would like to hand the conference over to Lavonne Zdunich, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Lavonne Zdunich
Thank you, operator. Welcome everyone to Precision Drilling’s second quarter earnings conference call and webcast. Today, I’m joined by Kevin Neveu, Precision’s President and CEO; and Carey Ford, our CFO.
Earlier today, we reported our second quarter results. To begin our call today, Carey will review these results, and then Kevin will provide an operational update and outlook commentary. Once we have finished our prepared comments, we will open the call for questions.
Please note that some of our comments today will refer to non-IFRS financial measures, and will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties.
For more information on financial measures, forward-looking statements, and risk factors, please refer to our news release and other regulatory filings. As a reminder, we express our financial results in Canadian dollars unless otherwise indicated.
Carey over to you.
Carey Ford
Thanks Lavonne. Precision’s Q2 financial results exceeded our expectations for revenue, adjusted EBITDA, earnings, and cash flow. The resiliency of our high performance, high value business model and organizational focus on cash flow and return on capital, drove our financial results and progress in strengthening the balance sheet.
We have not yet reached our desired capital structure, but in the middle of 2023, we crossed a few milestones, including total debt below CAD1 billion, and net debt to TTM EBITDA below two times — well below two times and cumulative debt reduction of over CAD1.1 billion since the beginning of 2016.
Now, I’ll move on to Q2 performance. Adjusted EBITDA of CAD142 million was driven by healthy drilling activity, improved pricing, and strict cost control and included a share based compensation charge of CAD3 million. Without this charge adjusted EBITDA would have been CAD145 million, which compares to a normalized EBITDA of CAD75 million in Q2 2022, representing an increase of 93%.
Margins in the US and Canada were higher than guidance resulted from stronger than expected pricing and cost recoveries. Higher ancillary revenues and improved cost performance, in addition to $5 million in idle but contracted revenue.
In the US, drilling activity for Precision averaged 51 rigs in Q2, a decrease of nine rigs from the previous quarter. Daily operating margins in Q2 excluding the impacts of turnkey and idle but contracted revenue were $15,455, an increase of $1,276 from Q1. For Q3, we expect margins to be approximately $15,000.
In Canada, drilling activity for Precision averaged 42 rigs, an increase of five rigs or 12% from Q2 2022. Daily operating margins in the quarter were CAD12,203, a decrease of CAD1,355 from Q1 for Q2 — sorry, from Q1 2023. For Q3 2023, our daily operating margins are expected to increase by approximately CAD500 in Q2 levels with improved pricing offsetting rig mix.
We continue to build our North American contract book with Q4 2023 drilling rigs under take-or-pay term contracts increasing 50% in the US and over 60% in Canada versus three months ago.
Internationally, drilling activity for Precision in the current quarter averaged five rigs. International average day rates were $5,551, a decrease of 7% from the prior year due to rig mix.
In our C&P segment, adjusted EBITDA this quarter was CAD8 million, up 55% compared to the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was positively impacted by a 30% — 31% increase in well service hours and improved pricing.
C&P results were further supported by Precision’s rental business, which has realized an increased demand and utilization for equipment on our Super Triple rigs for customers in the Montney.
Moving to the balance sheet, we are committed to reducing debt by over CAD500 million between 2022 and 2025 and achieving a normalized leverage level below one time. Our debt reduction target for 2023 is CAD150 million, and we plan to allocate 10% to 20% of free cash flow before principal payments directly to shareholders.
During the quarter, we reduced debt by CAD178 million and utilized CAD8 million to repurchase shares. As of June 30th, our long-term debt position net of cash was approximately CAD940 million, and our total liquidity position was CAD580 million, excluding letters of credit.
Our net debt — the trailing 12-month EBITDA ratio is approximately 1.7 times and our average cost of debt is approximately 7%. We expect our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio to be approximately 1.25 times to 1.5 times at year end when we expect debt to be below CAD900 million and our run rate interest expense to be approximately CAD60 million.
Our annual guidance for 2023 includes depreciation of CAD290 million and SG&A at $90 million before share-based compensation expense. Our full year 2023 capital plan remains at CAD195 million. We expect cash interest expense to be approximately CAD80 million for the year and cash taxes to remain low with an effective tax rate of approximately 25%.
For 2023, we expect share-based compensation expense to range between CAD20 million and CAD40 million for the share price range of CAD60 to CAD100. The annual share-based compensation accrual could increase or decrease another CAD15 million based on relative share price performance and a multiple applied between zero and two times. Year-to-date, we have had a recovery in share-based compensation expense of CAD9 million.
With that, I will turn the call over to Kevin.
Kevin Neveu
Thank you, Carey and good afternoon. As Carey highlighted, I am also thrilled with the rapid progress we are achieving against our debt reduction and capital structure objectives and this progress is underpinned by the strong operating cash flows we are producing and should continue to produce. I’m equally thrilled with our recent contracting successes in both the United States and Canadian markets and more on that in a moment.
Now, as some of the listeners may know, Precision has a large employee shareholder base, many of whom listened on our earnings calls. I’d like to recognize and thank every member of the PD team who are all dedicated to providing the safe high-value services our customers expect from PD while also tightly managing our costs, optimizing our margins and producing strong operating cash flows to the benefit of all PD shareholders. The results of the hard work achieved the highest second quarter cash flow in the company’s history. Bravo to PD team.
So, I’ll start with our Canadian segment, which I’ve been highlighting for several quarters, but really stood out during the seasonally slow second quarter traditionally known as breakup.
The Canadian market for conventional oil and gas drilling has radically transitioned over the past several years is perhaps now the best it has been. And by best, I mean the most stable and healthy that I’ve experienced during my career. No longer is the summer fall drilling program pinned on the AECO gas price realized in April, May. We now have visibility one, two and in some cases, three years out for Canadian drilling activity.
The Trans Mountain project, the Line 3 expansion, and the coastal gasoline pipes are solving the basin takeaway constraints which have hung over the Canadian industry for the past decade.
You can look through Precision’s customer list and find many directly linked to LNG Canada and others who have recently announced long-term LNG gas sales contracts through the Gulf of Mexico. Precision’s Super Triple fleet, which is fully utilized in Canada, is linked to the global LNG market, not seasonal AECO volatility.
And then Western Canada Select discount has narrowed and combined with the weak Canadian dollar, our heavy oil and SAGD customers are benefiting with improved cash flows and have returned to the drill bit, resulting in strong demand for our Super Singles.
And probably most importantly, our customers have become adept at operating in a tightly constrained and capital disciplined framework. They are not relying on capital market access to fund drilling programs, but our self-funding drilling remaining well inside their cash flows.
They have improved focus on balance sheets and they’re operating shareholder-focused returns-based corporate strategies. And this capital discipline has transitioned the way our customers think about drilling. They’ve taken the focus of pure day rates and they’re focusing on comprehensive overall drilling cost efficiency when they develop their drilling plans.
For both gas and heavy oil development projects we’re experiencing increased demand for pad drilling and seeing increasing pad sizes, all aimed at this cost efficiency.
Essentially, pad drilling has become the industry standard and led to full utilization of our pad walking rigs where we continue to see customer demand exceeding our supply.
On larger pads, these rigs can work straight through spring breakup, smoothing our revenues and improving our cost efficiency. This drive for capital efficiency also encourages customer adoption of our Alpha digital solutions and with all, but a couple of our Super Triples running in Canada now operating the Alfa system.
So, currently, we have 58 rigs in Canada running marginally less than we previously guided and primarily due to just one operator reducing their drilling program. With a stable oil price the reduced Canadian differentials and the soon-to-be commissioned TMX and Coastal GasLink pipelines, our outlook for the second half in Canada remains firm.
We expect 100% utilization of both our 29 Super Triples and our pad Super Singles and strong utilization for our remaining 31 super singles should — we should see rig activity in the high 60s or low 70s in the third and fourth quarter, setting up for a very strong start to 2024.
Notably, during the second quarter, we added 10 long-term take-or-pay contracts with some of those stretching up three years. Most of these were contract renewals with operators seeking to lock in access to those rigs over the longer term.
This is another key Canadian market change, whereby customers are now committing to contracting rigs on a take-or-pay basis. When in prior periods, customers would only commit to this take-or-pay style contracts. When supporting drilling contractor capital investments for upgrades for new builds.
This shift significantly stabilizes our activity levels and our financial performance for our finance Canadian segment. Today, 20 of our 29 Canadian Super Triples are contracted with take-or-pay terms, and we still see customer demand well in excess of our available rig supply. We have said we might consider mobilizing additional rigs to Canada from the DJ Basin or Marcellus. It seems this opportunity may emerge later this year or in 2024.
Turning to rates. Our leading yet rates in Canada for our Super Triple 1,200s are now approaching the mid-30s for the base rig while our pads super signals are now in the mid-20s.
Alpha automation is installed and running on approximately 90% of our Canadian Super Triples and continues to deliver solid performance results and meaningful value for our customers. It remains incumbent on precision to continue to manage our costs and improve our day rates as we seek out financial returns exceeding our cost of capital. We’ve made good progress so far, but we still have a ways to go.
Turning to our well servicing business. It performed exceptionally well during the second quarter despite industry activity lower than last year. The regional diversification we achieved with the High Arctic acquisition supported strong activity levels through breakup, specifically in our thermal operations, which remain a key strategic focus for our well service team.
Our expanded scale has noticeably improved our operating leverage providing a strong catalyst for free cash flow growth in this business. We are expecting a busy second half of the year and with industry-wide crewing constraints continue to limit industry capacity, we believe the outlook for well servicing looks very good for the second half.
Now, in the US, as Carey outlined, our utilization is trending a little lower than we guided as a result of the weakened natural gas prices and the uncertain oil prices experienced in the first half of the year.
However, as Brent and WTI have firmed up over the past few weeks, customer inquiries for oil targeted rigs has accelerated. We recently contracted nine rigs for Q4 and early 2024 start-ups.
If the current oil price range is sustained, perhaps we’re in the trough of customer demand with an upward bias later this year into 2024, where demand is noticeably strengthening.
Super spec rig supply remains very tight despite the reduced overall industry activity and very importantly, pricing discipline remains a common theme among our industry peers.
Currently, we have 43 rigs operating and two on paid standby. Through the first half of this year, we’ve been prioritizing defending margins over pursuing market share. We turned down several opportunities with rates lower thresholds, and we’ll continue to do so. We do expect our utilization will remain around this level through the third quarter with an upwards trend in the fourth quarter into 2024 as I described earlier.
Precision’s current leading-edge rates on our Super Triple 1,500s are in the low to mid-30s with some fully included rig rates approaching CAD40,000 per day, and those are for customers that are seeking immediate activations.
At current commodity price levels, we see to super spec rig demand trending towards near full utilization next year, and it appears our customers are also anticipating the same market dynamic as they are seeking to lock in the best rigs and what appears to be market-leading rates.
We are bidding on several contracts that have been awarded contracts with rates in the upper to mid to upper 30s for rigs starting operations later this year and early 2024. And virtually all of our operating rigs in the US have alpha automation, delivering again improved customer performance while enhancing our field rates and margins.
Now, turning to our Evergreen products for a moment. Our Evergreen solutions continued to generate very strong customer interest. Precision’s Evergreen solutions are no nonsense, high-value cost-saving additions to applicable to virtually every PD rig with the added benefit of reducing GHG emissions.
This is a win-win-win project in the very early stages of market penetration. For example, we have 10 battery energy storage systems deployed and expect to add three more before the end of the year and have several more systems in the final stages of customer approval right now.
Customer uptick of our Evergreen products has spread from Canada to the DJ Basin and is now expanding with customers in the Permian and Marcellus also exploring these products. We’ll have more to report on the Evergreen product line in the coming quarters.
And finally, turning to our International business. Currently, we have six rigs running, as Carey mentioned, three in Kuwait and three in Saudi Arabia. The final two Kuwait rigs are nearing completion in the recertification process and barring any customer delays, both rigs should be running in the next several weeks.
We have five additional idle rigs in the region and continue to pursue interesting opportunities to tender those rigs or several different projects. We’ll keep you updated on our progress as information becomes available.
And that concludes our prepared comments. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator Instructions]
Our first question comes from Luke Lemoine with Piper Stanley. Your line is open.
Luke Lemoine
Hey, good afternoon. Kevin, pretty positive comments about the US rigs that are being signed to beginning in 4Q. Can you talk about the shape of the US or count? And do you think 4Q jump starts 2024? And then I just want to confirm, as you said, super spec demand could be at full utilization next year?
Kevin Neveu
Look, we’re actually quite surprised by how quickly our customers seem to be ramping up. They’re thinking about 2024. It’s primarily oil-based, but we’ve had also, I think, one or two rigs that look like to be contracted into gas, primarily in the Marcellus.
But just looking at the profile right now, quick influx of lots of inquiries. We’ve signed the nine contracts we mentioned, primarily oil, primarily either large cap or kind of IOC style E&Ps. They are definitely planning to ramp up activity into 2024.
And we’re effectively kind of repositioning from the Haynesville into the Permian right now and really shifting our customer mix from what was largely private equity a year ago now to a lot of large cap public and IOCs in the Permian. And so as we watch that kind of play itself out.
If we just look at the inquiries we have today, that looks like they’ll turn into rigs, they not all for precision probably for the industry. That’s why I’m thinking that over the course of 2024 we could see that sub-stack rig market will be utilized.
Luke Lemoine
Got it. And then on Canada, you’re sold out on Super Triples and singles and you talked about moving some from the US. What kind of duration can you get on these contracts? I know overall, you talked about seeing one to three years in Canada in term are you towards the higher end to move those from the US to Canada? Or how should we think about that?
Kevin Neveu
Well, the way you should think about that is, number one, we want to see the marginal rate in that upper 30s range. So, that’s really important. And the customer has to pay for that move in addition to the day rate. So whether we signed a two-year contract and pays for it over two years or signed a one-year contract in pays for over one year, I’m kind of indifferent but we do want a take-or-pay contract with fixed days.
We want to have some certainty of revenue. We want to have a base rate for that base rig in the upper 30s, and we want low cost fully paid for by the customer. So, I’d say it’s a fairly high bar compared to today’s market, but the market is evolving quickly.
Luke Lemoine
Yes, got. All right. Thanks a bunch Kevin.
Kevin Neveu
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Aaron MacNeil with TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Aaron MacNeil
Hey everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Kevin, if there’s 27 rigs under contract in the US in Q4, what’s the average duration? And if 43 you’re currently active. Can you sort of characterize the remaining 16 or so rigs?
I guess I’m wondering what sort of contract structures are they operating under, I assume well-to-well are they up for renewals? Do you have visibility towards continued work? There’s obviously always churn, but just trying to understand how solid the current activity level is in the US today.
Carey Ford
Hey Aaron, this is Carey. The contract book we’ve had over, call it, the last 18 months has been anywhere from six months to three years. But up until, I would say, a few weeks ago, the majority of the contract durations were six months. And we’ve seen more requests for one and two-year contracts, and we’ve recently entered into several one-year contracts.
So, I think it’s trending a little bit longer duration. And we’re not really seeing as many customers looking for three or four well programs. They’re longer term programs. So, I think it’s a good indicator of future activity.
Aaron MacNeil
And the rigs that are sort of working today, but don’t have long-term contracts associated with them?
Carey Ford
Yes. So, those will either go into long-term contracts or they’re going to switch hands to customers that are more interested in contracts.
Kevin Neveu
And some of those renew on a well-developed basis with the same customer over and over.
Aaron MacNeil
Got it. You’ve highlighted the relative strength of the Canadian market again this quarter. If we compare generic or average 1,500 horsepower Super Triple in the US with generic 1,200 horsepower Super Triple in the Montney, which one is generating a higher rate of return today? And do you expect those rates have returned to change at all?
Kevin Neveu
Aaron, that’s essentially how we arrived at that upper 30s Canadian rate that rig in Canada. So, our costs in Canada in Canadian dollars or rates are Canadian dollars. So, the operating margin at upper 30s would be about the same that we’re achieving in the US on those rigs on those 1,200 rigs in the DJ Basin.
Aaron MacNeil
Makes sense. I’ll turn it back. Thanks guys.
Kevin Neveu
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Waqar Syed with ATB Capital. Your line is open.
Waqar Syed
Thank you. Kevin, Carey, the IBC revenues in Q3, would those be — still be around that CAD5 million, CAD6 million mark?
Carey Ford
Probably be one or two rigs. I don’t know if it will be that high, but it will be one or two rigs that we have in BC.
Waqar Syed
And how many rigs were in Q2?
Carey Ford
Yes, I think we had two rigs.
Waqar Syed
You had two rigs as well. Okay. All right. And then — so if you look at the US clean kind of day rate or revenue per day in Q2, roughly around CAD34,400. And the leading edge mentioned is in the low CAD30,000 to mid-30s. Is the leading edge in line with where the revenue number is? Or is it below what your revenue per day was for Q2?
Carey Ford
Well, I think we’ve got a couple of things going on here. We have a little bit of softness going into continue from Q2, and then we’re seeing strengthening in Q4. So, if you’re talking about going back to Kevin’s opening comments about where the leading edge rate is for Q4 and Q1 bookings. We’ve got rigs that are some rigs that are pricing as high as CAD40,000 all-in. So, that is one leading edge rate.
And then if we’re talking about where we’ve been quoting leading-edge rates for the last three months, I would say, we’ve been saying kind of mid to — low to mid-30s, and we reported day rates of a little over CAD35,000 a day in Q2. So, they’re kind of in line, I think, in this market.
Waqar Syed
Okay. So the CAD15,000 a day margin guidance for Q3, is that kind of the new floor? Or there is potential for margins to decline further into Q4 and Q1?
Carey Ford
Well, part of what we have going into Q3 is just a little bit lower activity, so we have some more fixed cost absorption we have fewer rigs bearing the same similar fixed cost. So, that’s part of the margin squeeze. And then if we see more demand and higher rates in Q4 and Q1, we’ll see the more to go back up.
Waqar Syed
Well, that’s pretty good. And in terms of incremental demand in the Middle East, how do you see that? When do you expect maybe — you still have about five rigs idle in the Middle East in that international markets, how many could go back to work over kind of what timeframe?
Kevin Neveu
Yes, I’m going to be a little vague on the guidance there, Waqar. We’ve got active bids for several rigs right now. I’d say that the most likely rigs go back to work first would be the one rig in Kuwait, and they go back to work in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. It’s essentially an AC Super-Sec rig in a [indiscernible] size, but I wouldn’t expect that rig to be activated before the beginning of next year at the earliest.
And we’ve been participating in a number of other tenders in the Middle East throughout several countries that just keep sort of getting punted down the road or delayed or slow plate. So, it’s really hard to assess what the — with the national oil companies are thinking around reactivating these tenders and turning those tenders into contracts.
Waqar Syed
Okay. And so if — let’s assume that you win a contract for a rig like from the day of announcement to the day that they are on revenues, is it like a six-month lag or less or more?
Kevin Neveu
It’ll be in the three to six-month range, and it would just depend on how much recertification work we have to do what their schedule was. They generally think about these things in anywhere from three months to one year, depending on the tender.
Waqar Syed
And what kind of incremental CapEx may be required to activate those rigs?
Kevin Neveu
Well, it could be as little as a few million like maybe CAD8 million to CAD10 million per rig or it could be as much as CAD20 million to CAD25 million depending on the scope of work we have to do to meet the standard. But the day rates would be designed to recapture that capital within the first operating year of the contract.
Waqar Syed
Great. Thank you very much. This is all very helpful.
Kevin Neveu
Great. Thanks Waqar.
Operator
Our next question comes from Keith Mackey with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Keith Mackey
Hi, good afternoon. I just wanted to start out. Many have been trying to, of course, kind of call the bottom on the US rig count and determine where it ultimately goes from there?
Now, Kevin, from your prepared comments and in some of the, of course, Q&A, it sounds like you believe that we are close to there, given the comment around super spec utilization being fully utilized in the US through 2024.
But can you just maybe give us a bit more clarity on why you think that the A, how close we are to the bottom in the US rig count in terms of activity for the industry? And then B, what gives you really the confidence, what are the two or three factors that you think will lead that rig count to ultimately be or the super spec rigs to ultimately be near at full utilization?
Kevin Neveu
Keith, that’s actually a very complex question, so I’ll do my best here, and make Carey, if you can pipe into if you have any more thoughts. So, what I’m sure of is that Q2 was in the bottom. I’m sure of that. What I’m also sure of is that about 90 days after the bottom, you look back and say, yes, for sure, that was the bottom. So, there’s a lot of uncertainty around trying to call it in advance. I think what we’re looking at right now is we saw the surge of inquiries come in when the oil price stabilized.
We bought commodity price is looking pretty good today. I mean we need to see a month or two or three of this be really confident. But it does seem like the problem wasn’t CAD72 crude to CAD74 crude the problem was WTI dropping into the CAD60s and coming back out of the CAD60s, that uncertainty held back plans that have been in place even late last year to at rigs.
I mean the inquiries are looking at today were ones we were actually contemplating back in November, December of last year. Now, they’ve come to fruition that the pricing to have stabilized. So, certainly, the market is doing better than it did even just a few weeks ago. It would be hard to imagine that in a world of CAD75 or CAD80 WTI, the rig count goes down much further.
So, I was cautious in my comments around our rig count. Rep 43 today actually will be in this area through the third quarter. We could drop down a couple. We’re going to be — we’re in a defend price, not utilization. So, if we have a renewal coming up, if somebody wants to keep that rig but cut the price by CAD5,000 a day, we’ll walk away.
So, I wouldn’t be surprised if our rig count were to drift a little lower. But also if it stays flat at this level of moves up, that wouldn’t surprise the other. How is that hedging my bets.
Keith Mackey
I think that covers it off pretty well. Maybe just on the new contracts that that you’ve signed. It sounds like given the pricing you’ve sort of directionally talked about, it sounds like you’ve been pretty successful despite the increased availability of super-spec rigs in the market. You’ve been fairly successful at getting decent pricing.
Now, can you just talk about why that is? Like do you get a sense that these rigs are for customers who are drilling net new wells into 2024? Or have these rolled off some other — from some other contractor and you’ve managed to pick them up?
Kevin Neveu
So, these are net new wells that we would have been talking to customers about a year ago, last November, December, their 2023 plans that just got pushed back. But I’d say a second part. These are also customers who wouldn’t be looking at some of the small drillers to do that work. So, we don’t see the small drilling contractors that have a couple of super stack rigs as a competitor.
These are really going to be focused on top three or four drilling contractors. The customers are looking at kind of — like I was describing earlier in Canada, how our customers are shifting away from just pure rates looking at full value.
So, I can tell you, every one of these rigs that we’ve contracted has alpha running on the rig from day one. That’s an important factor for these customers. They also have our Clarity data solutions on these rigs where they want to get high-frequency data from us.
So, these are sophisticated customers looking for a sophisticated drilling program and the leading day rate is just maybe a little less important than having the digital capabilities and the safety and the support we can provide.
Keith Mackey
Got it. And one more if I can squeeze it in. It looks like there’s. In Canada, maybe five or so rigs doing direct LNG type of drilling now, how much more rig activity do you think is required for the current — or to fill the current phase of LNG? Are we kind of there? Or do we need to see a few more rigs go to work. And is that working its way into your — into your discussions as well?
Kevin Neveu
So, it’s probably more than five rigs that we have tied to LNG. I think the number might be closer to CAD15 million if you include everybody who’s a partner in LNG Canada that we’re drilling for and the other company that’s announced LNG exports through the Gulf Coast. So, I think it’s a larger number.
But I can tell you, we’re adding another rig in January. That’s the upgrade we talked about a couple of quarters ago, it starts January 1st. I would be surprised if three to five more rigs are not required to satisfy the first two trains of LNG Canada. Now, that work will get done one way or another. We don’t bring rigs out of the US to satisfy that or our competition doesn’t do it.
There may be some increased tele-double work. But the efficiency gains on a triple on a three-well pad or larger are just too hard to argue with. And our customers are so focused on capital efficiency, that will drive them into the triple direction away from the — for the larger pads with the LNG style customers.
Keith Mackey
Yes, got it. Thanks very much.
Kevin Neveu
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Cole Pereira with Stifel. Your line is open.
Cole Pereira
Hi all. So, obviously, on the Canada front, the contracts is quite the change in behavior from the E&P side. Do you just get the sense that some of the producers are getting very worried about rig availability, just given some of the LNG tailwinds? And can you talk about the length of some of the contracts that you’ve recently signed in Canada?
Kevin Neveu
Yes, Cole, we — it might be the wrong word. I think what they’re trying to do is ensure they have the same crew and the same rig for a long period of time. So, it’s a very collaborative effort. I know I’ve been involved in some of these discussions myself with our customers, but they’ve been highly collaborative, trying to make sure they can have the same drillers, the same rig managers, a very consistent, predictable operations.
This year and next year, the year after. Contract durations have ranged from 1 year to a maximum of three years. The average is probably somewhere between one and two years for the contracts I wouldn’t say our customers are worried. I said they’re really focused on making sure they can control their operations with rigs and crews, they now trust and have confidence in.
Cole Pereira
Got it. Thanks. And on the US side, you talked about some of the public and super majors getting a bit more active over the next few quarters. how have conversations with some of the private producers been recently acknowledging the fact that the ramp in crude, it seems like has really been just the past week or two?
Kevin Neveu
Yes. So, I think the difference is that the publishers are talking to and that we’ve been contracting with, likely we’re looking to add rigs earlier in 2023, and that didn’t happen. So, they have plans ready and when the price got in the right range for them, they’re ready to go quickly.
I think that the smaller companies don’t do that kind of advanced planning, don’t have that kind of structure, and they may wait a little longer and work with their private boards to get through some early cash flow bumps and then start looking at a rigs.
Cole Pereira
Got it. That’s all for me. Thanks. I’ll turn it back.
Kevin Neveu
Thanks Cole.
Operator
Our next question comes from Kurt Hallead with Benchmark. Your line is open.
Kurt Hallead
Hey good afternoon everybody.
Kevin Neveu
Hey Kurt.
Kurt Hallead
So, Kevin, I just wanted to follow on a little bit on the supply/demand dynamics in Canada. You kind of referenced in the call, you think demand is exceeding supply, and that could potentially lead to some rigs moving up from the US to satisfy that demand. So, just kind of curious as you might give some context around what do you think the shortage of rig capacity is right now in Canada?
Kevin Neveu
Yes. Kurt, I can go back to what I know for sure. At the beginning of the winter in 2023, we had demand for five rigs that we couldn’t satisfy and didn’t satisfy. We know a couple of those were handled by tele-doubles drilling a little less efficiently. And then following that, the Blueberry resolution happened to BC. That seemed to push another three, four, five rig demand customers come to us. We actually move rigs back into BC. That seemed to push things forward.
In discussion with clients today looking forward, it seems like most of that is still out there. And whether that’s five rigs or seven rigs, it’s a little hard to tell for sure. I do think that will put a bit of a pull on tele-double. If you look at the basin right now, there’s probably already 15 tele-doubles drilling Montney wells right now or there has been historically.
Some operators like the lower rig cost, but most operators are drilling medium to larger pads through the economics pretty quickly and determine that even at a CAD35,000 or CAD37,000 a day rate, a rig that can drill a well, 40% faster, makes a lot of sense.
So, I think that math will work its way through the system. I’ll be shocked if any rig targeting LNG sales gas is anything less than triples rig. So I think five to seven rigs is kind of how we see it, which is why we think we might be pressed to bring one or two rigs up in the US, maybe late this year or next year, early next year, maybe more.
Kurt Hallead
Okay. All right. And obviously, you gave the economics as to what would incentivize precision to make that happen. So, it just now comes down to the sense of urgency at the E&P company level. So, we’ll have to see how that shakes out.
Okay. So, the other question I had was you kind of referenced some longer-term contracts and obviously, this is a unique situation for Canada. So the question would be, how many Precision rigs do you think could be on three-year type contracts, if that’s the duration as you kind of look at the needs for the LNG pipelines are coming on.
Just kind of — just want to see if this is just a kind of a unique dynamic or if there is a growing — a definitive growing need to lock in rigs for longer term?
Kevin Neveu
We had a number of discussions with customers about two and three-year terms. I would say that we were reluctant to lock in too many rigs in those longer terms because we were — we’re still trying to get rates up a little more. And I made the comment that we won’t get back to earning — out earning our cost of capital, which we think is an appropriate thing to do for a business that’s so capital intensive like ours.
But we still think rates in Canada move up a little further. Our customers have work to is quite well, and I’m really pleased with the job that our sales team has done and our customers have accepted increases. But I’m not prepared to lock in at these rates for two or three years down the road.
Carey Ford
Yes. Okay, fair enough. So, a follow-up question here on the alpha ads and software and everything else. So, it seems like there’s definitely a growing market penetration and adoption rate. What can you talk to in terms of the stickiness and the dynamic of the alpha.
So, once it’s on at rate, does as an E&P company say, well, again, that was kind of a nice little toy, but I don’t need it anymore. So just kind of give some perspective on what you’re getting the feedback from the E&Ps?
Kevin Neveu
Kurt, we haven’t had any customers turn off alpha and stop paying for it. They’re all renewing contracts paying for it. We’re on these long-term contracts we signed in Canada and the US every single rig that we signed on these long-term contracts include alpha. I’ll tell you what we’re actually really focusing on right now is I think we have an app library of about 30 apps and our utilization has been a little less than we’d like.
So, we’re really focusing now on working with our customers, testing our apps join them and trying to prove the value of each app. I think we have a pretty good runway to get wider scale adoption over the next few quarters. We’ve got a number of apps that really help assist drilling performance, drilling consistency drilling repeatability, even as simple as measuring emissions and they all make good sense.
We just need to do a better job fully proving that value out to our wide customer base. And kind of remind me if you may, what’s the kind of average rate that you get for deploying these apps on a rig?
Carey Ford
Kurt, if you remember, it’s about CAD1,500 a day for the base system and then the apps would be anywhere from CAD200 a day to about CAD1,000 a day per app.
Kurt Hallead
It’s like kind of almost evolving into a Software-as-a-Service type of business. Is that fair?
Kevin Neveu
Well, sort of. But remember what I’d be we’re not selling software, we are selling a drilling operation. And we’re trying to really support our ability to drill wells efficiently, safely, consistently, predictably, repeatedly. So, the software is designed and intended to support that service, not be a product on its own.
Kurt Hallead
Got it. Okay, that’s great. Appreciate the color.
Kevin Neveu
Thanks Kurt.
Operator
And I’m not showing any further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back over to Lavonne.
Lavonne Zdunich
Thank you, everyone, for joining our conference call today. If you have any follow-up questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.
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